Apparently there’s an election campaign going on in America, and it’s quite an important one. A black man is running, you see. If you watched the Olympics you’d know that they’re rather good at that, but this is different.
Let’s be honest – from that paragraph alone, you’ve probably already decided whether you think I’m racist. I’m reducing the black male to a single characteristic of athletic ability and extending this characteristic to all black males, right? Or maybe I’m making a harmless joke and cutting through the ridiculous political correctness that stifles our society?
Either way, the chances are that you made an instant judgement. Race and racism are very sensitive issues right now, and people are only too alert to perceived racism. And nowhere has this been clearer than in the U.S. presidential election race.
Take the criticism of The New Yorker’s now-notorious cartoon, which depicted Barack and Michelle Obama in Muslim and Black Panther outfits respectively. Obama’s campaign condemned the image as ‘offensive and tasteless’, while John McCain called it ‘totally inappropriate’. Both completely ignored the image’s intent, which was to lampoon the totally inappropriate, offensive and tasteless accusations levelled at Obama of anti-Americanism and, er, being a Muslim.
It was a simple lampoon, but it is significant that both Obama and McCain responded. Mainstream presidential candidates must not appear racist, and perhaps particularly Republican candidates as the right is so often associated with racism. But now anything Obama attacks on grounds of racism, whether implicitly or explicitly, McCain must be seen to just as forcefully decry. After all, Obama would know whether something was racist, wouldn’t he?
There’s more. In January 2007, Joe Biden, now Obama’s running mate, described him as ‘the first mainstream African-American presidential candidate, who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy’. It’s not a contentious statement, but after Biden’s appointment as Obama’s prospective Vice-President it enjoyed considerable coverage on the premise that it implies he is racist.
Biden would never be on Obama’s ticket if he were racist. The reaction just displays the accepted response to anything race-related that is slightly ambiguous or negative: clumsily denounce it as intolerant. It seems everyone either wants to catch a Nazi or wants to cause trouble, and both make people unnecessarily cautious.
There is a definite risk of branding any criticism of Obama as at least implicitly racist. My own initial reaction to the McCain camp’s sly suggestions that Obama is unpatriotic was that it was just nastily playing on his ethnicity. But then the same accusation was directed at John Kerry in 2004. Maybe some voters give it more credence because Obama isn’t white, but that is not the Republican Party’s fault.
Obama’s nomination is undoubtedly historic. It says a lot about him that he dared to stand for the nomination. It even says a lot about the Democratic Party that they voted for him, although I wonder whether he’d have won were his main opponent not a member of another under-represented group in U.S. politics but a ‘safe’ white, older male.
Either way, for the first time in history, it’s gonna start raining me- no, hang on, I mean there is a major African-American candidate for the Presidency of the United States. He may even win. If he does, commentators will surely start making grandiose statements about how America has thrown off its oppressive racist shackles. And if he loses, they’ll gnash their teeth and wail about how the U.S. remains intolerant and bigoted, unable to accept a black man into the highest office.
The problem is, it won’t actually show anything. You can’t reduce the complex reasons behind votes to a single issue, however clean and simple it might make things. Policies, for example, can make a difference, as can sheer partisanship. No-one seems to be considering the fact that Obama’s ethnicity might just be effectively irrelevant.
Obama will not win votes from white voters due to positive discrimination or ‘white guilt’. Yes, he may persuade black voters to the polling stations, but it is a crude and patronising suggestion that they will vote for him solely because he too is black. And the majority of hardcore racists, the ones who would vote for anyone to keep a black man out of office, live in strongly Republican states, in which Obama could not win if he were white.
Even if Obama’s race is a significant factor, it is impossible for us to know to what extent. It’s a presidential election, not a referendum on what America thinks of black men. The election will show whether American citizens prefer McCain or Obama. It will not show why. Some voters might vote for Obama primarily because he’s black, some might not vote for him primarily because he’s black, but we can’t know the motives for certain.
Any conclusions from the election result must be carefully drawn. If a state votes for Obama, that state is not automatically a beacon of racial tolerance. It is not impossible that he will even win votes in spite of his ethnicity, as the lesser of two perceived evils. And if a state votes against him, it does not automatically cast racist aspersions on that state.
This can be extended to America as a whole. If Obama is triumphant on November the 4th, the U.S. will not suddenly be without racial issues – no British woman would argue that Thatcher’s election victory in ‘79 ended sexism. Equally, if he loses the election, then America is not necessarily a bitterly divided, racist nation.
An Obama victory would not cleanse America of its racial problems. Once it became clear that he would not enslave the white man, Obama’s presidency might win round the merely prejudiced (those with private misgivings about a black President that they would never share or act on out of shame). But it would change nothing for the staunch racists who practice their prejudices.
I’m not saying Obama or McCain’s presidencies would be indistinguishable. It’s just that whether or not they would be has nothing to do with Obama’s race. Electing Obama would prove nothing new: much of America is comfortable with black people in powerful positions. He is the Democratic presidential candidate, and no more because of his skin colour.

1. Holly
Your point? I can’t believe I am reading an article dedicated to skin color in the year 2008.
2. Jamie
My point is that for all the talk about Obama’s ethnicity both here and in the US (Simon Heffer from The Telegraph said ‘it is time for a black President’ in a recent column), it is likely to be and should be irrelevant.
And it might seem odd to have an article dedicated to skin colour in 2008, but enough people are trying to make enough of it to make it a reasonable premise, I think.
3. Mark
Race is an issue in the States to a far lager degree than it is here, I think that’s reasonable to say. That said the top American political commentators and analysts can’t accurately predict or even broadly agree just what overall impact his race has on his support or what effect having a black president will have on certain demographics within certain US States. So if they don’t know I’m not sure what kind of informed opinion any of us Cardiff students can offer so we’ll have to be content the next time we meet an American by putting on our finest stiff upper lip and saying in the most patronisingly condensing ever-so-British tone that race would never be an issue in a British election. Conveniently forgetting, of course, that we have never had an election where race is an issue because no main UK party has dared placed an ethnic minority figure in a prominent role. Hell in the Tories it was considered exotic to have a senior member who wasn’t educated at Eton and Oxbridge. Not that Labour is any better. I cannot think of one directly elected politician who has ever served in the Privy Council. It should be noted that under the incumbent Republican Administration the second most powerful position, that of Secretary of State, has be filled by a black man and then a black woman.
With regards to race and politics if the Americans have got a long way to go then we’ve got even further.
Mark, 7th Year Political History PhD
4. Mark
“I cannot think of one directly elected politician who has ever served in the Privy Council.”
Should read I cannot think of one directly elected black politician who has ever served in the Privy Council.
Obviously.
5. CB
Why are you so concerned about who our president will be? Sadly, most Americans here have no clue who Brown is. That’s because we really don’t worry about the rest of the world.
I’m not talking bad about you guys…I lived in Europe for three years while in the Army. But it never ceases to amaze me why Europe is so into our business.
Probably a bad analogy, but Germany = American Soldiers need to leave here. We left = why did all the Americans leave?
The fact that Obama campaigned in Europe for support still amazes me. Still, sad that most Americans are spoon fed by the media and don’t see a problem there.
God bless us all if he gets elected.
Sorry if this is off subject, but I’m worried about our future as a nation…and for the world.
6. Jon
“Why are you so concerned about who our president will be?”
Because unfortunately for us, US Presidents and their policies usually directly impact upon us due to our “special relationship”.
“That’s because we really don’t worry about the rest of the world.”
That seems true. You’re one of the largest polluters on the planet, and don’t seem to care who you piss off in trying to get your oil supplies. But the flip side is that America gives a lot of money to the world and bailed out the West more than once over the last century, so I’m sure you do care a bit, if only because it helps to stabilise and acquire your interests.
Europe is so into “your business” because due to American foreign and economic policy over the last century whatever happens in America usually affects us over here, the current economic crisis being an example. Also, since America is a leading member in both the UN and NATO and with Europe still being relatively dependent on American forces to help secure its defence, the plans of the American President obviously affect European strategic plans.
Obama was campaigning in Europe not really for the sake of gaining support from Europeans, but so that Americans could see him as being a capable international statesman. It’s obvious from the Presidential debates that one of the main worries about Obama is his experience (or lack of, which McCain kindly highlights every time he talks), so Obama’s European tour was a way to help appease these worries.
I don’t think either candidate is particularly special. The fact that race might be an issue only shows how backward America is in certain areas. I think if America votes in McCain then, and I apologise for any offence to Americans who might read this, you are possibly the dumbest and most irresponsible people. Why do I say this? Because McCain is 71, meaning if he has 2 terms he could be nearly 80 by the end. He has also suffered from cancer in the past, meaning the potential health risks are greater with his age. This could all mean that if McCain were to get ill and pass away then you would be left with Sarah Palin as President, and she clearly doesn’t have a clue and should not be in such a position of power. For this reason alone I think Americans should vote for Obama.
7. MK
“The fact that race might be an issue only shows how backward America is in certain areas. “
I apologize for this, but it must be done. Here is a list of black politicians and activists that have made their mark on the American political scene, 1950-present, and a little information to go with it:
Medgar Evers: Early civil rights leader. Murdered in front of family by Klansman. Case reopened in 1994; elderly Byron DeLaBeckwith put away for life.
James Chaney: Only 21 years old when murdered by Klan in 1964 for defying Jim Crow Laws; details of death made infamous in film Mississippi Burning. Case reopened in 2004 upon discovery of new evidence. Edgar Ray Killen convicted next year…after shooting mouth off one time too many.
Martin Luther King Jr, Malcolm X: Need no introduction. Main forces behind Civil Rights Movement. Assasinated. Killers died in jail.
Angela Davis: Radical leftist/former Panther who tried to free Soledad bros in 1970. Had unsuccessful bid for VP ticket. Currently a University professor well respected for views on socioeconomic effects on minorities.
Shirley Chisholm. Carol Moseley Brown: First black women elected to House and Senate, respectively.
Thurgood Marshall: Argued Brown v Board of Ed before Supreme Court active in NAACP; years later wound up becoming first black Supreme Court Justice.
Colin Powell: Four star general, one of only a handful since Eisenhower. Became Secy. of State-4th in line of succession.
8. MK
(Continued)
Al Sharpton: Lead fight to secure better quality of life for black New Yorkers. Has run for president; common political pundit on NBC.
Jesse Jackson: First black man to be taken seriously during presidential primaries. Leader of Rainbow Coalition. Considered Dr. King’s successor at height of powers. Son a congressman for Illinois.
David Dinkins: First black mayor of New York City. Began reforms that would culminate in NYC going from war zone to safest city in America
Jocelyn Elders: Black female Surgeon General under Bill Clinton. Only woman to hold position; proven right on issue even after being fired.
Deval Patrick: Current Massachusetts governor. First black MA governor.
Clarence Thomas: Currently sits on Supreme Court. Appointed by a REPUBLICAN president.
Condoleeza Rice: Current Secy. of State.
Current number of blacks who are mayors of American cities : 26, including Philadelphia, Atlanta, and D.C.
Current number of blacks who are serving in House of Representatives: 42, many from the deep South.
Current number of interracial marriages: 7% of entire population (projected to grow bigger; includes members of my own [white] family.)
So why have I made this incredibly long list? To show a progression of ideals, to show that each decade since the fifties has produced steady change, even with risking showing the world all the ugliness that can entail. I find it rich that the original writer believes that it took some herculean amount of bravery for Obama to “stand the nomination” when, as Mark put it, no British party has asked a person of color to do the same. (I find it even richer when I encounter a paternalistic, holier-than-thou attitude on the issue of race the minute somebody catches my accent: I hate to break it to you British, but I have seen some of you behave WORSE than I have ever seen at home, casually even, both on the streets and on tv.) The candidacy of Barack Obama, from my vantage point, is the last mile of a very long and difficult journey and he is just shy of the finish line. The struggles of the past fifty years have paved the way for him, continuing up to now and I think better questions to ask are these: if America is truly so backwards and racist, if it must “throw of the chains of oppression”, then why has it spent the past fifty years hammering away at it?! And if Britain is so advanced, then why has Britain in the past five years alone had reports of anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and general nastiness against Asians?
9. Mark
“So why have I made this incredibly long list?”
Well, frankly, considering that 15% of your population is black, compared to 2% of the British population, it’s not that long a list, certainly not incredible by any standard.
“To show a progression of ideals, to show that each decade since the fifties has produced steady change, even with risking showing the world all the ugliness that can entail.”
There has certainly been change in law, but that does not necessarily equate to a change in social attitudes. It seems obvious that some people consider race a factor, but to what extent we can only speculate. I suspect that there will be some people who would vote for Obama if he were white so either won’t vote or will vote McCain, however I suspect that peer pressure will play a part to a many people won’t publically state that they are going to vote for Obama for fear of being publically ostracised buy their seemingly racist white peers but what they do in the poll booth is entirely private. We should also consider the current economic climate, one supposes even a racist would vote in a black man if he felt that it would help the economy and him specifically, but that doesn’t make that man any less of a racist, just a desperate one.
“I find it rich that the original writer believes that it took some herculean amount of bravery for Obama to “stand the nomination” when, as Mark put it, no British party has asked a person of color to do the same.”
That’s certainly true and a matter for historical record, though I suspect race wouldn’t be as much of an issue as it is in the US. We will, however, have to wait until one of the relativly few Black politicians make a challenge for he leadership of a major party to see what the public reaction would be.
“I find it even richer when I encounter a paternalistic, holier-than-thou attitude on the issue of race the minute somebody catches my accent: I hate to break it to you British, but I have seen some of you behave WORSE than I have ever seen at home, casually even, both on the streets and on tv.)”
Again that’s true, anyone remember the Birmingham race riots a few years back? I’m not sure I agree that Brits are casually racists though, merely casually xenophobic. Daily Mail/Daily Express/Evening Standard readers anyway.
“The candidacy of Barack Obama, from my vantage point, is the last mile of a very long and difficult journey and he is just shy of the finish line.”
I disagree. There are too many other variables to make that conclusion on the assumption of an Obama win. Your nation is in economic turmoil, the current Republican administration is somewhat unpopular, your global reputation is at an all time low and you’re fighting two wars with no end in sight. McCain, as the Republican, is the defacto incumbent. He should be lower in the polls than the belly of a snake. He shouldn’t have a hope. If Obama wins, and I think he probably will, it will be in spite of his ethnicity and the fact that there has never been a more favourable time for a Democrat to take the White House in many years. As I said above if/when Obama wins it does not mean that you don’t have any racist left, if just means that they are fallingi nnumber and that even the racist took to voting for a black man because of their personal economic circumstances and concerns over the economy. That said I hope Obama does win, both because I think it’s time see a black man as the Head of State of a major western nation and secondly because I thik he’ll be a better President than McCain or Palin.
“And if Britain is so advanced, then why has Britain in the past five years alone had reports of anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and general nastiness against Asians?”
I don’t recall any major anti-semitic incidents recently nor any general anti-asian movement or activities. Peoples anger, stirred up by the right wing tabloids, has been aimed at the British Muslim population, not all Asians.
10. MK
“Well, frankly, considering that 15% of your population is black, compared to 2% of the British population, it’s not that long a list, certainly not incredible by any standard.”
3% of the population here is Jewish, equivalent roughly to the concentration of British blacks. They make up, however, ≈ 15% of the Senate and 2/9 of the Supreme Court Justices. How is it that the same percentage of a people with a similar record of historical oppression in the British population does not share the same representation or success? How is it that fewer have the guts to run?-You be the judge.
“it’s not that long a list, certainly not incredible by any standard.”
If I had put down all the successful black politicians and activists nobody would have read my post, so I wrote the best examples. (Initially I had one that was longer.) The intent, secondly, was to show a progression of ideas: slowly, things have been/are changing. (My list is mostly in chronological order.) A black man who stood up for himself in the 60’s risked death; further back a black man was more likely to be a servant in the White House than the man running it. Now there are dozens of black politicians getting elected by popular vote in the deep South and now, infamously, Obama is running for president…and he is leading in the polls. The odds against McCain, mathematically and statistically are astronomical. Furthermore Obama is even poised to take some states that traditionally go blood red: the press has been all over it back home.
“casually racists though…”
I have seen comedians and prime time hosts behave in a way that would do a minstrel show proud and dreadful behavior directed at one black footballer by an entire section of a stadium. (What they were chanting I refuse to repeat.)
11. MK
“Well, frankly, considering that 15% of your population is black, compared to 2% of the British population, it’s not that long a list, certainly not incredible by any standard.”
3% of the population here is Jewish, equivalent roughly to the concentration of British blacks. They make up, however, ≈ 15% of the Senate and 2/9 of the Supreme Court Justices. How is it that the same percentage of a people with a similar record of historical oppression in the British population does not share the same representation or success? How is it that fewer have the guts to run?-You be the judge.
“it’s not that long a list, certainly not incredible by any standard.”
If I had put down all the successful black politicians and activists nobody would have read my post, so I wrote the best examples. (Initially I had one that was longer.) The intent, secondly, was to show a progression of ideas: slowly, things have been/are changing. (My list is mostly in chronological order.) A black man who stood up for himself in the 60’s risked death; further back a black man was more likely to be a servant in the White House than the man running it. Now there are dozens of black politicians getting elected by popular vote in the deep South and now, infamously, Obama is running for president…and he is leading in the polls. The odds against McCain, mathematically and statistically are astronomical. Furthermore Obama is even poised to take some states that traditionally go blood red: the press has been all over it back home.
“casually racists though…”
I have seen comedians and prime time hosts behave in a way that would do a minstrel show proud and dreadful behavior directed at one black footballer by an entire section of a stadium. (What they were chanting I refuse to repeat.)
12. Mark
“3% of the population here is Jewish, equivalent roughly to the concentration of British blacks. They make up, however, ≈ 15% of the Senate and 2/9 of the Supreme Court Justices. How is it that the same percentage of a people with a similar record of historical oppression in the British population does not share the same representation or success? How is it that fewer have the guts to run?-You be the judge.”
Well the largest population of Jewish people situated outside Israel is in New York City, so it’s hardly surprising that they enoy disproportional success. I should point out that one of our greatest Prime Ministers was Jewish, Benjamin Disraeli, might I ask which President of the United States the American electorate sought fot to vote in from this oppressed mass? Secondly I should point out that the British Black population has only been around for a matter of decades, not centuries, so its hardly surprising that the British black population does not have the same influence. However given that the majority of black immigrants were from the Commonwealth and were welcomed with the same rights as native British citizens perhaos they don’t feel the need to separate themselves from the caucasian population as much as the black population in the United States does. It is a matter of historical record that British citizens that just happened to be black were given no legal distinction from anyone else and treated no differently by the State. You are perhaps cirrect when you argue that blacks in the US have come a long way, and this should be congratulated and supported, however blacks in the UK did not have to travel so far, they were treated as human beings from their arrival in the 1950s and onwards.
“The intent, secondly, was to show a progression of ideas: slowly, things have been/are changing.”
Congratulations. I’m sure the entire black population of the US will club together and have a medel printed for you. The point is, you took your bloody time about it.
“Obama is running for president…and he is leading in the polls. The odds against McCain, mathematically and statistically are astronomical. Furthermore Obama is even poised to take some states that traditionally go blood red: the press has been all over it back home.”
That’s certainly true, though he’s only started to runaway from McCain when the economy went tits up. He’s fortunate he’s on the Democrat ticket, as a black Republican nominee he wouldn’t have a hope, not because he’s black but because he’d be the de facto incumbent, as McCain is.
“I have seen comedians and prime time hosts behave in a way that would do a minstrel show proud and dreadful behavior directed at one black footballer by an entire section of a stadium. (What they were chanting I refuse to repeat.)”
Well I wouldn’t take it seriously, obviously no one felt offended or the Police didn’t think it was that offensive or such people would’ve been arrested under incitment to racial hatred legisation, presumably similar legislation is in force across the US, correct?
Mark
13. MK
“Well the largest population of Jewish people situated outside Israel is in New York City, so it’s hardly surprising that they enjoy disproportional success.”
Yes, and if we are going by cities, London is 4th on that list, and second in Europe. (In order: Tel Aviv, New York, Paris, London.)
“point out that one of our greatest Prime Ministers was Jewish, Benjamin Disraeli”
Disraeli was baptized as an Anglican at age 13 and, though culturally Jewish, professed that faith for the rest of his life including his tenure as PM: he never set foot in temple from the age of 13 until death. There was also quite a bit of Jew baiting while he was incumbent and furthermore no practicing Jew has ever been elected Prime Minister and no Jew of any kind has been PM since. Furthermore, it took eleven years for de Rothschild to take his seat in Parliament because he would not/could not swear “upon his true faith as a Christian.” (that little chestnut itself wasn’t retracted until later.) In regards to a Jewish POTUS, I have a feeling that this is certainly plausible in the coming decades especially given the last time a Jewish man ran for the higher ranks of office was 4 years ago (Lieberman for VP) and many members of the Cabinet, likewise, have been Jews. (Notably David Axelrod, Obama’s campaign manager, falls in this category and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was rewarded with a Cabinet position if Obama wins.)
“British Black population has only been around for a matter of decades”
Incorrect. Blacks have been present in the UK since the advent of transatlantic slavery (and part of the late Empire as well-sadly, sugar plantations in Jamaica and Barbados had to run somehow.) Prior to the influx of immigrants from the Caribbean and Africa their were populations present in major port cities including London, Liverpool, and Southampton, many of these descendants of slaves. Furthermore, even with the influx of African and Caribbean migrants it is still true that a white person whose highest qualification is GCSE’s at grades A-C is more likely to have a job than a black or Asian person with A-levels.
“Congratulations. I’m sure the entire black population of the US will club together and have a medel printed for you. The point is, you took your bloody time about it.”
I was unaware that they gave a medal for common sense or simply telling the truth. I am further in this fight because it IS personal to me, to people my age: my uncle has married an intelligent, vibrant black woman and I love her and her sons (my cousins) to bits. People I have worked with, people I have known and loved as I have grown up, all were people of color and it is for them as much as for the future of my country or myself that I fight: not out of a desire to be their messiah as you imply, but because it is right, because my place is at their side. I might not be the quitessential case overall, but there are more and more like me than you think: statistics show my generation is much more likely to date outside their race and have friends of a different race. A recent Pew research poll said that 91% of Americans born after 1977 agreed that it was alright for whites and blacks to date each other and statisitics indicate that 22% of all Americans have a relative in an interracial marriage.
I am also 26 years old. I am thus old enough to have parents who lived through the trials and turbulence of the 60’s and one of my earliest memories was of my mother taking me into the voting booth to vote for Jesse Jackson in the primary. I am also of a generation that never has had to see the “whites only” sign on the door of a toilet but rather I’ve only seen it painted over or the letters very faded and totally ignored as a relic left to rot (most ladies joke that at least the two toilets now guarantee a shorter queue.) I grew up laughing my butt off at Chris Rock and Steve Urkel, not Amos and Andy or All in the Family. I am a walking, talking shibboleth as well, if you like: there are thousands upon thousands of others like me, of that I have no doubt, and statistics show we overwhelmingly vote Democrat at a ratio of 2 to 1. We are furthermore expected to have a high turnout: have you been paying attention to “The Great Schlep” or the viral video “Don’t Vote” on Youtube? They appear to be working, as Obama is leading in Florida’s polls and all the polls indicate a large amount of activity among the young. Not paying attention to the Great Schlep? -Try the recent edition of the Guardian, in particular the article describing Obama’s efforts in the South and the recent demographic changes which are playing a role in the electorates of Virginia and North Carolina. (The first of these last went blue in the early 60’s and the second not since the seventies.)
“though he’s only started to runaway from McCain when the economy went tits up..”
So why is McCain not lower in the polls?-Domestic issues and national security, mainly. Aside from the usual wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage, (big issues among the very religious corners of the South) some fools dislike Obama’s policies on taxes: they are against higher taxes as a principle and also don’t like the idea of Obama nationalizing the debt to bail out the economy (counterintuitive if you ask me as Roosevelt did the same thing seventy years ago and historians widely regard this as one of his smartest moves.) They’ve taken McCain’s tax plan at face value not realizing that it benefits mostly those who make a lot more money.Worse yet, McCain’s plan for his tenure as president include drilling for oil offshore: McCain wants to wean the public off of an addiction to foreign oil but this would mean drilling up reserves found out to sea….and in an Alaskan wildlife refuge. The last of these would take an act of Congress (and guess who gets to preside over Congress according to the Constitution?...Yes, you guessed it: the Vice President, in this case Alaskan Sarah Palin.)
“Well I wouldn’t take it seriously, obviously no one felt offended or the Police didn’t think it was that offensive or such people would’ve been arrested under incitment to racial hatred legisation, presumably similar legislation is in force across the US, correct?”
Incorrect. The First Amendment guarantees free speech, and when it says free speech it means it: one can get up and say whatever one likes, no matter how stupid or inflammatory. It is considered dangerous to pass such legislation as the same legislation in the long term could be used to suppress free speech against a government or figures within government. (For example, I am a Catholic. Should I be worried if I call the Archbishop of Canterbury a few nasty names because I believe the practice of Guy Fawkes Day is wrong and burn a little mitred fellow instead of a guy?)
On the other hand, legally, it is considered a civil rights issue and not a federal one. If we are talking about the screamings and rants of a few racist pigs at a football match, then it may fall under Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Furthermore, this would mean that the responsibility of protecting the rights of the player(s) it was directed at would fall to the owners of the franchise/stadium and normally this would mean the hooligans would be escorted out of the stadium by security without a refund of their ticket (and possibly even banning each and every one from ever returning if it became serious enough; this is not difficult to do as tickets are tracked electronically.) If these rights are not protected, the player has the right to sue the ball club as well as the fans who accosted him.Also, most cities have police present at ballgames (the World Series comes to mind) as a matter of course to assist with crowd control anyway as a bunch of drunken idiots high on life tend to have fewer inhibitions and don’t remember the law quite so well. (Nobody is dumb enough to take on an angry cop mounted on a huge Quarterhorse mare.)
In regards to how offensive it was, they were calling him a monkey along with some other epithets that made me so sick I left-as I asked one of the cops to do something he just shrugged and snickered about how “she should talk…” when he thought I was out of earshot. How is this not racist?! At home, the best player on the Boston Red Sox is David Ortiz, a black man and a Dominican: the people adore him so much his nickname is Big Papi (even non-Sox fans call him this.) The captain of the New York Yankees is Derek Jeter:he has lead the Yanks to several Championships and the fact that he is half black, half white is a non-issue to the millions of Red Sox fans who loathe his team (mostly they just scream “Yankees suck!” to which the Yankee affiliated Bleacher Creatures ring their cowbells and yell back something like “25 times!”, meaning the number of times the Yanks have won the pennant as opposed to the Sox winning about 5.)
On Youtube I found these two instances which I find disconcerting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jESq6lxha_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XtifhC0PcU
The only time I have seen anything like it is in old reels from when Jackie Robinson started playing for the Dodgers or even further back when Hank Greenberg started playing for the Tigers.(They threw pork chops at him.)
14. Mark
Yes, I am aware that there was a relatively small number of non-whites living in Britain from the Seventieth Century onwards, however the black population of the UK did not become significant until the immigration on the 1950’s onwards. I was contrasting that with the United States were you have had a sizeable black population since you became a nation. Also I would point out that we didn’t have a Civil Rights movement in Britain, slavery was never legal in the United Kingdom and the State never treated people differently under the law.
I need not comment on your personal insights about race in the US firstly because they are your personal experiences, secondly the points you do make I agree with and thirdly aside from a small far right BNP gorillas then I think its far to say that race is really an issue, it is quite common for children to have friends from several different communities and people to marry interracially. I speak from personal experience, my girlfriend being Asian.
I stand my comment regarding McCain in the polls, it is a matter of record that his poll lead decreased as the economy suffered, being the de facto incumbent then that is hardly surprising. I can’t predict what overall impact Obama’s race has on the election, but suffice to say there has not been a better time for a Democrat to win the White House in many years, I don’t think it would be unrealistic to suggest that had Obama ran instead of Kerry race would have been more of an issue because of the favourable economic conditions compared to now. Regardless you can not deny that Obama’s ethnicity has been a subject of discussion within this election, I doubt it is for many people, even in the most rural, southern States, but for some people it evidently is since even McCain has had to defend Obama to his own supporters who feel he’s an American hating, terrorist supporting, Marxist Muslim Arab who wants to turn the US into a Peoples Republic.
My remark about inciting racial hatred was aimed at Britain and British law, which I presumed was your point, I won’t comment on racial law in the US as I have no experience of it.
Mark