As much as media studies has become popular in recent years amongst students, some academics and a lot of journalists continue to question its merits.
Of course the term ‘mickey mouse subject’ has become all too patronisingly familiar to those studying for media-orientated degrees, but is it a fair reflection on course content? Are they ‘serious’ enough and are they ‘worthwhile’ (whatever that is supposed to be)?
Media studies is one of the newest victims of courses met with derision stretching back as far as the 1800s. When University College London introduced English Literature, it was treated with the same contempt as Sociology in the 70s and 80s and media studies today.
Of course nowadays, English Literature is rightfully treated with the respect it deserves, viewed as rigorous, challenging and most importantly academic. So it would seem, with age, gravitas is earned by a subject.
Figuratively speaking, media studies is the pimply youth behind the checkout at ASDA, whilst historic subjects such as philosophy are the wizened and respected barristers, consultants and professors.
But whilst the study of the media may be a relatively new discipline, it is important to remember that the media itself is also relatively new. Given the increasing impact the media has on us both individually and as a society, surely it is worth study. In fact more than that surely it should be inspected and deconstructed. One UWIC student said ‘they don’t always carry the status they deserve and can be perceived as a waste of time, which is unfair when you consider the huge influence the media has on society’.
Perhaps the strangest thing about the criticisms is the fact that it comes from the media itself. The media seems to say of itself that it is not worth study. You may famously remember that the media claimed that David Beckham studies was now a degree option, but on closer inspection it in fact turned out to be a module studying the social importance of football for students of sociology, sports science and media studies.
Journalists may be all too aware that media students are examining what they are writing, and they probably don’t like it. With potential consumers being trained to spot lies, rhetoric and spin it may reduce the amount of readers, and ultimately the amount of profit a newspaper or magazine is able to turnover. So rather than encouraging journalists to step up their game, better to belittle those that question and study them and claim their degree is worthless.
One problem that media studies graduates do face, however, is the fact that there are far more media graduates than there are positions available in the industry. This has led to some panic as to the usefulness of the degree, with one report claiming that skilled workers from abroad were being brought in to the UK to fill the gap left by ‘British youngsters’ preference for ‘Mickey Mouse subjects’. Chris Woodhead, England’s Chief Schools Inspector also harshly claimed in 2000 that media studies is a “one way ticket to the dole queue”. Professor Drummond Bone from Universities UK disagrees however, arguing that “if our graduates are to take their place in the global economy, it is right that there should be a range of courses on offer to ensure a workforce with diverse, and some cases, very specific skills”. Surprisingly, even eccentric Tory boy and student favourite Boris Johnson has defended media studies, calling it an “excellent preparation for the real thing”.
The question is however, how many media studies graduates actually want a career in the media and how many simply study it because they are interested in it. Does everybody who studies politics want to be a politician, everybody who studies psychology want to be a psychologist? Why assume that those who study the media want to end up within it? Graduates of media go on to all kinds of sectors including advertising, sales, teaching, law, civil service, PR, the list is endless. If there are more graduates than jobs then the graduates will have to work harder, creating a job market where hard work is rewarded and the standard of work increased. Surely that is a good thing?
So should media studies be scrapped? Is it a pointless degree with little, to no job prospects? Of course not. Media studies will, given time, be rewarded with the same respect as older subjects have warranted. In fact as the media becomes more and more influential, the study of it can only go from strength to strength. Hopefully, the media itself will soon latch on to the benefits of the study of media and stop the derision. On the other hand, having to defend the decision to study the media can only be good preparation for an industry in which thick-skinned determinism is rewarded.

1. David Jones
Balls.
edia studies is utterly worthless. I worked in for some years in publishing and never met anyone who had wasted their useless time on such rubbish, It is a worthless degree taken and taught by losers, wannabees and nonentities.There are no jobs waiting.employers want capable workers, not tossers and dossers. Beware of claims that all sorts of jobs are available: ask for a few specific examples or better still details of individual success stories.. if those teaching are any good, why are they teaching, not working in the media. Because NOBODY wants or needs them is why. And NOBODY will want or need new MS graduates. NOBODY AT ALL.
2. Mark
“Because NOBODY wants or needs them is why. And NOBODY will want or need new MS graduates. NOBODY AT ALL.”
I don’t think that’s entirely fair, the Big Issue is always on the lookout for new distributors.
3. Rasputin
And CONtributors. And writers. And reviewers. And photographers. And researchers. And web designers. And, one day, sub-editors and editors. And any number of jobs that are open, one way or another, to Media Studies graduates.
4. Lee M
David, you’d probably not have been able to say that if it weren’t for ‘dosser’ media students. This webpage and that article wouldn’t be here. Not to discount the contributions of non-media students but lots of gair rhydd staffers are on the Journalism, Film and Media course at Cardiff University, me included.
Mark, I’m pretty sure it would be unfair for the Big Issue to only offer distribution jobs to media graduates as well. Graduates from many other courses may require the same kind of opportunities.
I know plenty of media graduates who work in the media and they certainly weren’t unwanted.
Fair enough, some had the practical experience of student media or work experience that I imagine lots of media students don’t bother with.
That’s just the same as in any other degree though. You can’t expect to breeze the two years and get a job straight away unless you have some kind of experience of it.
5. Rasputin
o_O
Damn.
6. Mark
I’m sure there are Lee, I just can’t think of any more appropriate.
7. Marco
Was this article written for April fool’s day?
To claim that the media deride Media Studies purely because it teaches people to be critical of the media is, quite frankly, hilariously absurd – talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel. The notion that one has to study media studies in order to understand the media is also rather patronising. One would have thought that it is, in fact, the students studying serious academic disciplines at world class institutions – where they are pushing forward the boundaries of knowledge, critical thinking, analysis, problem solving – whom are the most well equipped to understand the media.
Media Studies, as well as other Mickey Mouse degrees, is not an academic disciplines. There is a clear distinction between academic and vocational disciplines. Also, I would genuinely love to know, in which universe does a Media Studies degree require the same level of intelligence, analytical, problem solving skills as a Maths degree, for example. Essentially, the point is that Mickey Mouse degrees devalue the concept of a university education.
I think one of the main gripes people have with these Mickey Mouse degrees is the fact that, on the whole, it is the third rate Mickey Mouse universities which are offering these courses. Moreover, these courses also have pathetically low entry requirements.
I also love the logic that because English Lit was once derided and was not respected, the same will automatically happen to Media Studies. Maybe if I created a Dustbin Man Management degree, I could claim that in the future, that, too, will be a well respected degree.
If you, Amy Davies, would reacquaint yourself with reality, you would give tremendous credence to the fact that two of the finest academic institutions (LSE and Cambridge) in the world, now have a black list of A-levels. This fact may be rather unpalatable to some, like yourself, but it is profoundly enlightening too.
8. chris
I wanna go to a Mickey Mouse University- I luv Minnie mouse she so sexy, just my type, its the red ribbon does it for me.
marco, on a tecnical point I dun fink this artilce was writtn 4 april fools day cos thats in april, a while a go. I notice thes ethings being a calenderologist in my spare time. Also I have a friend called Mark and its his birthday then- honestly this is not swipe at anyone, I am above that sort of thing lol
9. Mark
I am actually ashamed that you managed to somehow achieve a Masters from a Russell Group University such as Cardiff. I don’t know how you did it Chris, but you sure as hell didn’t deserve it. The very fact that you gloat of trespassing and theft online should, at least, strip you of your academic achievements and give you a few years behind bars. You are a disgrace to this University and, as a Welshman, I say you are an embarrassment to this country.
10. chris
Thanks Mr Mark QC, of Cardiff Kangeroo Court, but I have never stolen anything in my life and i didn’t tresspass into Cardiff Castle and nick the stupid flag: I just wrote the story. And anyway, it was a swap, we replaced the Union jack with a Anti-Racism Flag.
So ur calling me a thief and a criminal now are you? Nothings too low for your right wing chaps is it? BTW I think trespass is a civil matter so I wouldn’t go to prison for that. So when is your birthday mark? I’d really like to send you something for your continued friendship :)
11. Mark
I think trespassing is a civil matter Chris, but breaking and entering, like you proposed to do with a certain property in mid Wales as a form of political process. Are you also denying that you belong to the terrorist organisation the WRA, even though it’s your email address listed on its website for ‘press contacts’ and most of the text is written in the same amateurish and odd fashion that is characteristic of your ramblings on here? You should be careful Chris, aiding and abetting terrorism, even an inept terrorist group, is punishable by life imprisonment. You might find yourself hauled in front of a real Court, though fortunately for you it seems that not even the very people you have sworn to defeat, the British Crown, take the Welsh liberation struggle seriously. Which is a bit of a paradoxical shame I think, you’d be a great martyr.
12. chris
Most people who make mistakes about someones character ie thief, usually apologise, instead you go on to make the most silly accusations I have ever heard of LOL :) Give up Marcus, you’re just digging a hole for yourself- then again, perhaps you like holes.
13. chris
Actually,Muck, if your really like holes, I have a glock and could help you out there.
For anyone interested in reality: Cardiff Welsh Republicasn are dressing as cows ( yes, terrorists cows with dealy udders) over the Summer to raise money for the KNU, a group that represents the Karen peoples of Burma.
if u c cows around town, campus, please sak us about the Karen people’s plight.
14. Jon
If we think you have mad cow disease are we entitled the shoot you dead on the spot? That would make you popular…
15. chris
Oh hellp Jon,
Nice to hear from you: it’s been such a long time I thought you had grown up and got some adult opinions… :)
We’ve never met, so tell me, what exactly is it that you dislike about me/us? Hopefully, not my bovines beliefs coz that would be plain sectarian (admit it mate, you’re a sheep boy aren’t you?) :0
16. Jon
I don’t want to upset you by deconstructing your character and critically analysing each aspect of it.
I’ll leave you to your farmyard orgy…
17. chris
Why no join us Jon? There’ll be a warm welcome for you in the pig sty.
18. Rasputin
Oh hush, all of you. I thought this kind of bickering had ended.
How can LSE and Cambridge have a black list of A-Levels when they offer degrees in the subject? I’d be interested to know what kind of A-Levels these are; for instance, it’d be ridiculous to include English Lit. as a ‘blacklisted’ A-Level when they offer a degree in English Lit. themselves. How would you qualify for it?
19. Jon
My Canadian friend does an English Lit and Politics degree in Vancouver. For one of her critical theory modules she wrote a song and performed it instead of writing an essay. She was given 95%. To quote Dylan, the times are a changin’!
We call some degrees “Mickey Mouse” degrees, but isn’t it all relative? And who knows, the Maths or Medical student who is supposedly doing the harder degree could find Media Studies, for example, more difficult because it doesn’t suit their way of thinking. If a top 100 university offers a “Mickey Mouse” degree then obviously they think it is worthwhile because otherwise their rankings would suffer from offering poor options. Whatever degree you take you arguably have to be reasonably intelligent and put in some effort to achieve it. Compared to Medical degrees you could arguably say that all other degrees are “Mickey Mouse” and a doss. But then people will argue otherwise. Let’s get a bit of perspective, stop whinging about degrees we’re not even doing, and just concentrate on the ones that we are doing!
20. Bobo
Something we always knew…...
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2288305,00.html
“Science and maths exams are harder than arts subjects, say researchers.
It’s what scientists have always known: the sciences are harder than the arts and the humanities. Now researchers at Durham University have proved it.”
21. chris
“concentrate on the ones we are doing”
shit, that hits home.
Rasp: Mark started it by calling me unwashed last year and Jon said I looked stupid dressed as a dragon :(
Anyway, education should be universally available from cradle to the grave. Any body should have the right to do whatever degree they like, whenever they like, inlcuding those who have been convicted of criminal offences, like the lad who was accepted into Kings and then had the offer of a place withdrawn for a mistake he made earlier in life. (Enter bigotts).
SAVE COWS NOT BADGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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paul: when is the forum being updated for avatars, emoticoms, quote factilities etc? Thanks, chris.
22. chris
No its not, Bobo, you get claculators in maths subjects, I didn’t get a dictionary when I was doing arabic. And I defy anyone to tell me that Arabic isn’t akin to maths/logic.
23. Jon
You say things completely unrelated and idiotic like “SAVE COWS NOT BADGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” and you wonder why no one takes you seriously?!
And stop with the childish “it’s not my fault, he started it!” routine.
It doesn’t matter if you have calculators or dictionaries, you still need to know how to use the things properly and the rules of your subject. And you can’t do the complex algebraic calculations on a calculator, just like you can’t read a Latin text and find each word in the dictionary without knowing how the words were formed, what declension or conjugation they are and how to get back to the nominative form that is recorded in the dictionary.
Anyway, why does it matter to the science student how hard the arts subjects are? I don’t care if your physics degree is considered more difficult than my history degree. I could argue that the science degree is actually easier because it is based on common laws and rules, whereas the arts degree requires a wider overall knowledge of history, political, social, and economic movements etc etc. Human interaction and actions are arguably harder to understand than the interactions between atoms because there are no universal laws to it. The only reason we argue these trivial things is because we want to big ourselves up and stroke our egos, making us feel like we are better than everyone else. You can do that as much as you like, but isn’t it what you do after your degree that counts? Your first in astrophysics won’t mean sh*t if you end up in a menial admin job will it?!
24. Thomas Carroll
Rasputin – You might be surprised to learn that law is often a blacklisted A-level if you apply for a law degree.
Going back to the article, it has a quote that media studies is a “one way ticket to the dole queue”. There seems to have been no actual response to that claim. What’s the figure for media studies graduates gaining graduate jobs after finishing their degree? Considering there’s probably few if any jobs that require a media studies degree I imagine the figure to be low.
25. Mark
I think Law might be unique in that regard, Thomas. Anyway what is interesting is that some institutions, for example Oxbridge, whilst not ‘blacklisting’ certain subjects are limiting how many an applicant can have to be considered, I believe that to be considered having any more than two ‘mikey mouse’ subjects such as media studies and sports science is a serious no no. This is because these subjects are seen as seriously below par compared to the sciences and even more traditional humanities subjects and this has, apparently, been like this since the 1970s. I don’t see why people are lumping English Lit in with these subjects though and I’ll be very surprised if any institution did, especially given that the Oxbridge colleges have an international reputation for the study of Shakespeare.
Anyway Jon makes a good point, it really only matters what you do after Uni that counts, given the choice of being an unemployed physicists or an employed journalist I know which I would prefer. Further to that in specific regards to media studies I can only echo the words of an old friend of mine who did a degree in media studies and now works in journalism. He spent even less time on his degree to get a first than I did on mine (which considering he was working most days – in radio journalism and had a new born baby to help raise isn’t surprising) and told me that his course was completely devoid of anything even remotely difficult and taught by failed journalists who couldn’t make it in the real world. He now works as a full time journalist, and all credit to him, but getting a first made little difference to that so I suspect that if you can’t get a first in media studies without minimal effort, even more so than other subjects, you must have all the intelligence of a particularly stupid donkey with equivalent employability.
Chris I vehemently disagree that higher education is an automatic lifelong right equivalent to healthcare. People do not and should not be able to demand access to a course that is clearly inappropriate for them, and it’s not just a matter of intelligence, I have no experience, either vocational or academic, in the sciences, so should I be able to demand access to a course in physics just to fail a year down the line wasting a lot of money, predominantly that of the taxpayer? If it was anyone else making this point I would have assumed that they just meant to qualify their point by saying that anyone with the necessary qualifications can apply to any course and not fear being rejected over financial or social considerations, a vaguely sensible position to take, but since this is you and you do have the most amazing ability to come up with the most insane ideas I shall take it on face value. Regarding convicted criminals though I think you make a good point – one you should have expanded upon. If they have served their time and (hopefully) rehabilitated then they need to be reintegrated into society and education can obviously play a huge part in that, I’m not sure what the law says on the matter but if this applicant failed to disclose any convictions you can’t really blame the university since he lied on his application. Incidentally do you know what he was convicted of?
I’d also reiterate what Jon has said, often you express a position that many people would agree with at least part of, though often in diametric opposition to my own and others, but how can you expect to be taken seriously with comments like “SAVE COWS NOT BADGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”? It makes you seem like a moron on face value, people who have never had the opperrtunity to interact with you should be able to use that opportunity to conclude you’re a moron from analysing your views of the world and so forth, not from silly little remarks about badgers and your obbession with cows which, I think we can now safely say, go well beyound the Charles Out of Wales non starting campaign. The same goes for the dragon outfit Chris, it wasn’t that you looked like a fool per sae, people look like fools all the time in costumes, but not people with a supposedly serious point to make and votes to win. As Rasputin said at the time people couldn’t even hear what you had to say because of your hood which you refused to take off. What does that say to people? It says you’re a bloody idiot who couldn’t be trusted to run a hot dog stand let alone a Student’s Union and, apparantly, these views were echoed in the results.
26. chris
Dragon Costumes: I’m not prepared to enter into that partciular debate with you Mark, but the Bovine v Badger debate is topical and current. I come down on the side of Bovines. Butcher brock the BAD ass badger! Thats what I say.
You have no appreciation of the material or spiritual value of cows and I would have thought some one of your intelligence would have been broad minded enough to accept that others have different views, albeit about cows.
27. chris
breaking and entering
28. chris
that was what he was arrested for- some thing to do with horses perhaps?
29. chris
And last years results were very encouraging, actually Mark, since you rasie the issue.
30. Mark
Why is the bovine vs badger debate topical, Chris? Seriously, this is the first I’ve heard of it. I’m afraid I do not have any appreciation of the spiritual value of a cow since I am not a Hindu, though I do have great respect for the religious values of others you have never precisely said exactly why the cow is holy to you, I find this perplexing because as an ordained Christian Reverend I thought you would have found cow worship pagan and decidedly unchristian. Further I certainly do appreciate the material value of cows, I love a good steak or veal as the next man does.
Breaking and entering huh? Well that’s not a terribly serious crime and, like I said, it’d be nice to encourage universities to accept former felons if they meet the required academic standards.
I heard you came last again Chris, do you find it encouraging because you polled more than the 0.8% of the electorate that you did last time? I can’t fault your optimism Chris, but I think you need a reality check.
31. chris
Mark: Christ, Our Blessed Saviour, often took sheep in his arms, I am sure if he had been big enough he would have picked up cows. I would like to think I am big enough to embrace cows. And you dont have to worship cows to appreciate thier finesse, dedication to milk production and calf welfare now, do you? Think of St.Francis.
You say you know nothing of the bovine v badger debate going on within Welsh farming communities? I’m not surprised. Outside of M25 corridor you actually know very little. You’re a little Englander, cucooned with an ivory tower, with an outmoded and outdated set of political beliefs which died with the the Last Days of the Raj. So, please, no lectures from you on reality. Reality check for you though: global poverty, one child dies every three seconds whilst crops go rotten in the fields to keep prices artifically high; princes in palaces, paupers on our streets; an illegal war in Iraq for Oil, 10 Welsh soldiers dead; small nations being colonised, political prisoners in Anglo-American camps being tortured; knife crime at an all time high; the credit crunch. This is CAPITALISM, the filth your revel in, and I may come last in every election under the sun until Doomesday, but if I can encourage one person to fight against this immoral and illegitimate system of economic government, then I will stand. I believe that one person with justice on their side can make a difference.
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Breaking and entering is a serious offence: but perhaps you could examine your own double standards when you say that certain people (me) should spend years in prison, whilst others dont have to. So which is it Mark? Serious or not serious? Or does it depend on whether or not you are talking to socialists?
32. Mark
Are you suggesting Jesus shagged sheep? Alas I don’t know what’s going on in Wales outside the civilised bits of it, so what’s the deal with badgers then?
I’m not going to bother debating the merits of liberal capitalist democracy with you Chris, just please accept that it is the way of governance for the entire civilised world. If you think otherwise then go ahead, ironically democracy protects your right to be an idiot, but just accept that you won’t change anything.
Breaking and entering is an arrestable offence and is punishable by imprisonment, so in that sense it is serious but compared to offences against the person arguably it is much less serious. Besides you said the young man in question had made a mistake earlier in life, indicating that he either didn’t serve time because he was too young or had served his time and was trying to rehabilitate himself. And yes, I think a few years at Her Majesty’s pleasure would probably do you a world of good, so you see, no double standards.
33. Paul Springett (Online Editor)
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34. Rasputin
I’ve heard that a Law A-Level can be injurious to studying Law at university, because it’s too simplistic or you get taught bad habits or something. We were warned a similar thing about English Lit. on coming to Cardiff – an undergraduate essay is nothing like an A-Level essay, and if you don’t change your ways or even forget everything you learnt, you could be in big trouble.
It’s ridiculous to blacklist A-Level Law on an application to study HE Law though. It’s hardly fair on someone who took A-Level Law because they thought it would be the first step to their desired career, only to find it a barrier to the next one.
35. Jon
Aren’t most university degrees completely different to their A-level counterparts though? My History degree was nothing like my History A-level, and I know the Maths and Physics degrees are nothing like the A-levels. A-levels are just aptitude tests for universities in my opinion.
36. Mark
That’s certainly true, I remember when we both first started our degrees all those years ago, we were basically told to forget everything we were ever taught at school and started afresh. History A Level consisted of just retaining basic historical knowledge, the who, what, when and where but rarely, if ever, did my teachers even attempt to broach the subject of why, the most fundamental aspect of historical analysis and what we concentrate on in academia.
Re the law thing, I completely agree with Rasputin, it’s terribly unfair for anyone like that, if Universities are going to blacklist anyone applying for a law degree who has a law A Level then just what is the point of a law A Level?
37. Thomas Carroll
With regards to the law a-level, anyone who is considering a law degree should do their research before taking up the law a-level and know that some universities don’t appreciate it. Careers teachers at least should be aware of the situation.
As far as I know the law A-level has only recently been blacklisted so I assume eventually it will be phased out.
38. chris
Many moons ago when I was making my A level choices to study law I was advised to take European History, RE (Old Testament Law- Old Covenant) and Latin. Latin never helped much, but to this day I can say “Flavius is a farmer and he’s up a tree”.
39. Amy Davies
Well I’m mighty glad that my article caused so much discussion (albeit fairly off topic – what was all that with the badgers and cows?)
Anyway I’ve graduated now, with my supposedly pointless Journalism, Film and Media degree, and in the real world I’m already working as a journalist for an online financial advisory service (www.fool.co.uk). As it would turn out, there are jobs after all.
I don’t particularly care that some people described the course as for “dossers and losers”, because I had three years of learning about something I was passionate about, and felt that my time here was valuable, and ultimately led me to the job I’m in now.
I agree that there may be some media graduates who expect to walk straight into the Times and be employed without doing any kind of work experience, but the same could be said about any other degree, so to imply that only media studies graduates behave in this way is rather childish.
But like I say, glad it inspired so many comments.
40. Mark
No one was implying that media studies types felt that they were going to walk straight into any job they wanted after graduation, Amy. In fact I think that criticism can be levelled to varying degrees to people within each discipline. In short it’s not the people in one specific degree that think like that but the lower end of undergrads in most if not all subjects.
No, Amy, what I was suggesting, not merely implying, was that getting a reasonable grade in a media related subject is about as difficult as putting on a hat. Not that should in any way dilute your great achievement. The world needs people who can put on hats as confidently as you.
Mark. MSc in hat removal.